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05/25/2010

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Patrick

Anything that you push against will only become more of a problem. Pushing against or resisting something is no way to make it go away. Force is not the same thing as power. Go ahead and make barebacking taboo. It will only make it seem that much more appealing to men.

In my honest opinion someone is cow-towing to a fear based way of thinking.

And IML's decision is more than just about hiv prevention. I can guarantee you there's some financial aspect involved.

No one will ever tell me how I can have sex. Race you are right. I am a hell of a rebel especially when it comes to sex.

What other institutions dictate what is good and bad regarding sex? hmm... Boy have times changed.

Jay Harcourt

I just finished reading all of the posts in this discussion, and I think there are some points missing that when taken together, Race in his post, and Roger in his comment, hint at.

Race, you point out that we as leathermen are supposed to be the rebels. I agree that many of us are, and that we take our rebel status seriously, and accordingly choose our risks consciously and with the knowledge of possible consequences. I believe that it is one of the things that sets us apart from the mainstream. Call it what you want: SSC, RACK, whatever, but it’s a responsibility I take seriously.

But as Roger points out, many of the guys who attend IML aren’t necessarily connected to the conscious and responsible ways that leathermen approach sex (and play.) These men, attracted to their perceptions of how we exhibit our rebel ways, drag out their starter-harness for the weekend and go at the weekend with wild abandon, acting out their fantasies of what they believe leather is, completely removed from their day-to-day life in the mainstream.
Here’s the thing about adding bareback studios into that mix: with the vending of the material in the mart also comes the producing of the material in suites in the hotel. How many of us have been handed the postcard with the room number inviting us to come participate in the weekend’s filming of the next “X’s 60-load weekend?” Add that invite to the abandon above, and I think you have a problem. I personally talked a friend out of his debut in one of those productions last year.

My background is in Public Health and Prevention. I would argue that in and of itself, removing the bareback studios from the mix is not an effective prevention message. Race, you point out ways that IML could provide a more effective prevention message and I agree with the argument. But whether intended or not, in removing the studios and the production of the next 60-Load film, it might just be a somewhat effective prevention mechanism.

As pointed out by many of the posts here, there is a slippery slope to this move by IML and the argument I present—if you remove the filming, what about the private “parties” in the hotel rooms, etc… But organizationally for IML, and personally for Chuck, the liability (if even moral) of allowing the studios to produce such films and recruit participants from IML attendees may be more threatening than an individual’s decision to participate in a private party.

Gary Rhoades

Such an intelligent man - you and I have discussed this specifically. I have to agree with everything you say. To pretend the issues is not there and criticize the participants effectively severs communication. We have to find the point of view where we all intersect and educate from there.
There is so much research and reviews being done at this time. Even the medical establishment is split on sero-sorting and harm reduction so the dialogue has to continue. I get tested annually or semi-annually and even my Dr. will have me skip the test if, from his POV, I have engaged in low risk behavior. I love reading your blog.

Roger Klorese

There probably aren't that many things you and I disagree about. And we probably don't disagree all that much about this, either. But...

One thing that's extremely frustrating about this issue is that for a lot of people it becomes a proxy for every possible thing about IML and Chuck Renslow. I know you're not coming from that place, but if I hear one more person dismiss the issue simply because when they hear the words "moral principles" and "Chuck Renslow" in the same sentence their ears turn off...!

To the point, though, I think you're looking at the issue through the lens of the leather community you and I love, what it means to you, and who the people that make it up are and how they think.

And if that was the world of IML, I'd agree with you wholeheartedly.

But we've more and more reached the point where, as much as it is about Leather (and the multitude of things you and I would put in that category -- not just the skins, but the kinks, and even more, the spirits), IML is also about Circuit. I'd say probably half of the guys at IML take their leathers (or other fetishwear or what-have-you) out of the closet for IML and the occasional circuit party, sneer at the people that make the event for you and me (including, well, you and me), and if asked what makes them Leather, would probably say first and foremost that they bareback.

The fact that barebacking is one of the activities that can be listed as a fetish at many profile sites encapsulates what the issue is. It's about barebacking being normative within a transgressive context.

Of course serosorting is a valid choice many of our brothers make -- although I still hold with the idea that, absent a closed, 100% trust-based, and tested partner pool, the only things you can say with certainty are that you are positive or that you don't know. But even then, that implies a level of self-examination and rationality that I frankly don't think is at hand here.

The issue with the Leather Market is that, ultimately, IML isn't even a circuit party -- it's high school. The porn stars are the cool kids, and the barebacking porn stars even more so. And it's the message we send the "freshmen" that is at stake: for the guys who are just starting out, the ones who want to run with the cool crowd, whose table is at the center of the cafeteria? To me, not giving center stage to the "cool factor" is part of a harm reduction strategy: know the facts, take the irrelevant emotional aspects out of it while then being free to consider the relevant ones.

As for safer-sex tables mixed in among the vendor booths: that's putting the AV geeks and drama fags and math team in the mix, expecting they can provide an alternative. There are lots of contexts in which that can work -- but just as I don't think it's been truly effective in MOST sex clubs, I don't think it can work within the Leather Market.

Are there risks to the IML decision? Of course -- making the barebacking that is going on behind closed doors more transgressive and, in the process, more attractive -- but I don't think that's anywhere as much a problem as what we have now, where being a cumdump is tantamount to being Prom Queen.

Perhaps you're just orders of magnitudes more optimistic than I am about how many examined lives are being lived at IML...

And: big love to you.

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